对成长街区的评论 https://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock 在线会议 星期二,2015年9月22日08:19:46 +0000 每小时 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.9 评论艾米丽·托马斯——艾米丽·托马斯的时间增长块理论的发展 https://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/thomas/#comment-171 艾米丽·托马斯。 星期二,2015年9月22日08:19:46 +0000 http://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/?page_id=2#comment-171 In reply to <a href="//www.jandeweb.com/growingblock/thomas/#comment-137">Natalja</a>. Yep definitely - a deep, deep tension! I believe that pantheists usually identify God with the world, so Alexander is doing something even stranger by placing God within it (i.e. the world is not exhausted by God).

回复Natalja

是肯定的–一种很深很深的紧张感!我相信泛神论者通常把上帝和世界等同起来,所以亚历山大做了一件更奇怪的事,把上帝放在世界里(即世界没有被上帝耗尽)。

彼得·福雷斯特对会议最后一天的评论 https://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/2015/08/30/last-day/#comment-153 彼得·福勒斯特 2015年8月30日,星期日,23:06:10 +0000 http://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/?p=83#comment-153 Congratulations, Graeme! Although less fun than a traditional conference I suspect I understood more. Thank you too to all my fellow participants. Peter < p >恭喜,格雷姆!< / p >

Although less fun than a traditional conference I suspect I understood more.

Thank you too to all my fellow participants.

Peter

评D.H.梅勒——《从布罗德到托雷的成长街区》,娜塔莉亚著 https://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/mellor/#comment-152 Natalja 2015年8月30日星期日18:36:05 +0000 http://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/?page_id=24#comment-152 In reply to <a href="//www.jandeweb.com/growingblock/mellor/#comment-149">Graeme A Forbes</a>. Ok thanks. To me that seems like standard realism, which I think has to leave an explanatory demand hanging (namely in this context an explanatory demand that concerns the question how the token changes its truth-value, i.e. what it is that isn't part of the token's time that is such that the token's truth-value depends on it - that thing, whatever it is, doesn't seem like it's part of reality (the one block), as you say).

在回复Graeme A Forbes

好的,谢谢。对我来说,这似乎是标准的现实主义,我认为它必须留下一个解释性的要求(即在这种情况下,解释性的要求涉及到令牌如何改变其真值的问题,即是什么不是令牌时间的一部分,令牌的真值取决于它的时间)。那东西,不管它是什么,看起来都不像它是现实的一部分(正如你所说的,一个块)。

评艾米丽·托马斯——班库蒂斯的时间增长块理论的发展 https://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/thomas/#comment-151 bencurtis 2015年8月30日星期日17:34:00 +0000 http://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/?page_id=2#comment-151 In reply to <a href="//www.jandeweb.com/growingblock/thomas/#comment-126">Emily Thomas</a>. Hi Emily. Iv'e just seen it's the last day of the conference, so I'm replying very quickly as comments may close (I don't know whether they will or not). In short, yes, I took this to be the natural suggestion, but I don't think it can work. Your appeal here is to another description ('The position occupied by o and such that the positions occupied by j, k, l, m, and n precede it'). If the other positions mentioned in this description could be individuated without the use of a description this might work, but how is this possible? And in the absence of this the description is just like the one I suggested previously (i.e. 'the point in time such that Caesar crosses the Rubicon’). And then I ask again, what guarantees that such a description picks out the same thing before and after a change in the universe? (Indeed, I find it hard to see what could be meant by the claim that such a description does pick out the same thing before and after a change if there are no independently existing entities to serve as positions.)

在回复https://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/deng/#comment-150 格雷姆·A·福布斯 2015年8月30日星期日17:08:17 +0000 http://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/?page_id=33#comment-150 In reply to <a href="//www.jandeweb.com/growingblock/deng/#comment-134">Natalja</a>. <blockquote>A shrivelled past involves a (back) block in which there aren’t, tenselessly, things much like there are at the ‘present’ time, but very exotic hitherto unencountered things, and not tenselessly but in some for me hard to understand present past way.</blockquote> On my view, the things in the past are <i>exactly</i> the things we have encountered already. But I can't make sense of what it is for them to be like anything other than what they are like when present. I can only understand what things are like when present because everything I've ever experience was present when experienced. Similarly I can't describe what red things look like in the dark. They don't look like anything, because I can only see colour when there is some light. Just as I think my sofa is still red when I turn the lights off (even though I can't see it) I think think the past still exists when it ceases to be present. I have a story to tell about why the present is special - it is the time where actiality and potentiality meet. So I find it tough to make sense of how things are meant to be on a static Block view, because there is no room for potentiality to meet actuality. There is just how things are. I find making sense of the static Block really baffling, just as if you said that you wanted me to imagine a load of brightly coloured things, but without imagining any light source.

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A shrivelled past involves a (back) block in which there aren’t, tenselessly, things much like there are at the ‘present’ time, but very exotic hitherto unencountered things, and not tenselessly but in some for me hard to understand present past way.

On my view, the things in the past are exactly the things we have encountered already. But I can’t make sense of what it is for them to be like anything other than what they are like when present. I can only understand what things are like when present because everything I’ve ever experience was present when experienced.

Similarly I can’t describe what red things look like in the dark. They don’t look like anything, because I can only see colour when there is some light. Just as I think my sofa is still red when I turn the lights off (even though I can’t see it) I think think the past still exists when it ceases to be present.

I have a story to tell about why the present is special – it is the time where actiality and potentiality meet. So I find it tough to make sense of how things are meant to be on a static Block view, because there is no room for potentiality to meet actuality. There is just how things are. I find making sense of the static Block really baffling, just as if you said that you wanted me to imagine a load of brightly coloured things, but without imagining any light source.

评论d·h·梅勒——《从布罗德到托雷的成长街区》,作者格雷姆·A·福布斯 https://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/mellor/#comment-149 格雷姆·A·福布斯 Sun, Aug 30 2015 16:39:46 +0000 http://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/?page_id=24#comment-149 In reply to <a href="//www.jandeweb.com/growingblock/mellor/#comment-147">Natalja</a>. So, there are a whole range of times that exist, the latest ones are in August 2015, and there are lots and lots earlier than that. If we are saying that there exists a token, at some time, then I'm not sure what it means for us to say that the token is at some other time with a different truth-value (it sounds like we aretalking about a different token). There is just the token, and it has what truth-value it has. However, the Universe changes as time passes (indeed this change is constitutive of time passing). So the token (the very same one) can change truth-value, (without any intrinsic change to the token). This is because the truth-value of the token might depend on things that are not part of the time the token is tokened. (Recall my example above: 'Queen Victoria is (tenselessly) the longest reigning British Monarch ever' depends on whether there exists one who has reigned for longer). I'm happy talking about how things will go in the future - the laws of nature allow me to know what events will happen, and, indeed, that more events will happen. The laws of nature are likewise useful in explaining that in the past fewer things had happened. But a commitment to hyper-times would involve me thinking there <i>exists</i> some (hyper)time at which a different Growing-Block stage exists. But in my ontology I just have this Growing-Block stage. I see the worry --- It is David's worry that I am committed to 'reality pointing beyond itself'. But I think <i>temporal</i> reality can point beyond itself without my being ontologically committed to different growing block stages, just as I think I can be committed to reality <i>modally</i> pointing beyond itself without thinking that I'm ontologically committed to merely possible worlds.

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So, there are a whole range of times that exist, the latest ones are in August 2015, and there are lots and lots earlier than that.
If we are saying that there exists a token, at some time, then I’m not sure what it means for us to say that the token is at some other time with a different truth-value (it sounds like we aretalking about a different token). There is just the token, and it has what truth-value it has.
However, the Universe changes as time passes (indeed this change is constitutive of time passing).
So the token (the very same one) can change truth-value, (without any intrinsic change to the token). This is because the truth-value of the token might depend on things that are not part of the time the token is tokened. (Recall my example above: ‘Queen Victoria is (tenselessly) the longest reigning British Monarch ever’ depends on whether there exists one who has reigned for longer).

I’m happy talking about how things will go in the future – the laws of nature allow me to know what events will happen, and, indeed, that more events will happen. The laws of nature are likewise useful in explaining that in the past fewer things had happened. But a commitment to hyper-times would involve me thinking there exists some (hyper)time at which a different Growing-Block stage exists. But in my ontology I just have this Growing-Block stage.

I see the worry — It is David’s worry that I am committed to ‘reality pointing beyond itself’. But I think temporal reality can point beyond itself without my being ontologically committed to different growing block stages, just as I think I can be committed to reality modally pointing beyond itself without thinking that I’m ontologically committed to merely possible worlds.

评D.H.梅勒——《从布罗德到托雷的成长街区》,娜塔莉亚著 https://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/mellor/#comment-148 Natalja Sun, Aug 30 2015 13:57:59 +0000 http://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/?page_id=24#comment-148 In reply to <a href="//www.jandeweb.com/growingblock/mellor/#comment-142">Peter Forrest</a>. I see I need to study your view in more detail too. By 'token proposition' you mean token of the proposition, right? So if that's what truth is, the relation must change on your view (the relation between tokens and the blocks in which they're located). I guess I thought that's what we were agreeing doesn't happen, when we were agreeing (if we were!) that tokens exist only at the times they are tokened. Clearly you either disagree with the latter point or think of the existence of tokens at times differently somehow. Thanks Peter.

在回复彼得·福勒斯特< / >。< / p >

I see I need to study your view in more detail too. By ‘token proposition’ you mean token of the proposition, right? So if that’s what truth is, the relation must change on your view (the relation between tokens and the blocks in which they’re located). I guess I thought that’s what we were agreeing doesn’t happen, when we were agreeing (if we were!) that tokens exist only at the times they are tokened. Clearly you either disagree with the latter point or think of the existence of tokens at times differently somehow. Thanks Peter.

评D.H.梅勒——《从布罗德到托雷的成长街区》,娜塔莉亚著 https://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/mellor/#comment-147 Natalja Sun, Aug 30 2015 13:52:37 +0000 http://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/?page_id=24#comment-147 In reply to <a href="//www.jandeweb.com/growingblock/mellor/#comment-143">Graeme A Forbes</a>. Agreed (:)). So can I ask Graeme, do you disagree that 'it makes no sense to ask whether a token that exists at one time is true at another time (of the same temporal dimension)'? I guess it comes down to what it is for the whole of reality to change (and thereby effect a change in truth-value in tokens, if it does). I shall study your paper closely to try to understand better how you're thinking of this.

在回复Graeme A Forbes

同意(:))。所以我可以问格雷姆,你不同意‘在一个时间存在的令牌在另一个时间(同一时间维度)是否为真’是没有意义的吗?我想这可以归结为整个现实的变化(从而影响到代币的真值变化,如果确实如此)。我将仔细研究你的论文,以便更好地理解你是如何思考这个问题的。

评艾米丽·保罗的《约瑟夫·迪肯珀:过去主义与事件》 https://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/diekemper/#comment-146 艾米丽·保罗 2015年8月30日星期日13:38:29 +0000 http://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/?page_id=29#comment-146 In reply to <a href="//www.jandeweb.com/growingblock/diekemper/#comment-81">Joseph Diekemper</a>. Thanks Joseph, they do help, and I'll definitely re-read your 2014 paper. All the best!

在回复约瑟夫diekemper < / >。< / p >

Thanks Joseph, they do help, and I’ll definitely re-read your 2014 paper. All the best!

评论克里斯蒂·米勒——艾米丽·保罗的《新的成长块理论》 https://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/miller/#comment-145 艾米丽·保罗 Sun, Aug 30 2015 13:25:52 +0000 http://blogs.开云体育app客服kent.ac.uk/growingblock/?page_id=11#comment-145 In reply to <a href="//www.jandeweb.com/growingblock/miller/#comment-96">Kristie</a>. Thanks very much, Kristie! I loved the paper!

回复Kristie

非常感谢,克里斯蒂!我喜欢这张报纸!< / p >

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